Maarika wrote:

Seitokaichou wrote:

Etrangere wrote:

And I'm one of the rare person who don't like Utena/Anthy (romantically, that is, I Friend Ship them of course )

Rare person #2 here. I only view Utena/Anthy as friends not lovers

I see them like this, too. And they are my OTP. I don't know how that's supposed to make sense. I guess I just don't like Utena shipped with others that much.

I'm very much the same way. I don't really see them as lovers at all. I don't see them as just 'friends' either. They're certainly something quite different from anything there's a word for in my opinion

I ship them romantically only because I can't bear to see them with anyone else. It breaks my heart to think that their friendship might be torn apart due to 'loves' and 'relationships'. ::cough::Akio::cough:: But that's me being corny.

Maarika wrote: I see them like this, too. And they are my OTP. etc-love I don't know how that's supposed to make sense. I guess I just don't like Utena shipped with others that much.

Yes yes, no matter what they are the One True Pairing of SKU. *bows down to Utena/Anthy in their many forms*  

Yummy. It could start with that scene where Kozue has kissed sleeping Miki and Anthy is staring at her from the doorway. And go from there. *drools*

Etrangere wrote: That sounds like a great idea, write it! Write it!

I need to make a list of writing projects. So many crazily fun ideas out there.

hollow wrote: Naturally they would all hate each other the next day, LOL. But it would make for more good angst that is so crucial to the series, anyway.

*laps up angst* Moar moar moar. Never be happy, Juri! NEVER! *cries into hands at my own evil intentions toward the beautiful Juri*

Kaelyndra wrote: I'm very much the same way. I don't really see them as lovers at all. I don't see them as just 'friends' either. They're certainly something quite different from anything there's a word for in my opinion

What an apt way to put it. They are in a category of their own for sure.

I ship them romantically only because I can't bear to see them with anyone else. It breaks my heart to think that their friendship might be torn apart due to 'loves' and 'relationships'. ::cough::Akio::cough:: But that's me being corny. emot-redface

It breaks my heart too. Although of course I ship them romantically (as well as friendship, as well as something-more-ship, as well as enemy-ship), and am ever hopeful that a natural progression into gaydom is possible for them. And be corny at will! If there's any couple people should die with corniness over it's Utena/Anthy.

KaiChou wrote: Haha! You're not being corny, dear. I still hate Akio for divirginizing Utena. emot-mad
Not because Touga should've gotten her first. *coughs* Really. *coughs* That's not it. >.>

That scene with Utena/Akio is SO hard to watch. I just feel for her so much in that moment. You all know the moment I mean. Touga/Utena? I admit the (highlight for SPOILER:)movie and manga most pleasantly showed me great couple possibilites for this pairing of hotness. But I love Utena/Anthy so much more...I would die for a good fic out there though that did Touga/Utena but showed the Utena/Anthy friendship intact and growing. Is there such a mythical beast?

Maarika wrote:

Seitokaichou wrote:

Etrangere wrote:

And I'm one of the rare person who don't like Utena/Anthy (romantically, that is, I Friend Ship them of course )

Rare person #2 here. I only view Utena/Anthy as friends not lovers

I see them like this, too. And they are my OTP. I don't know how that's supposed to make sense. I guess I just don't like Utena shipped with others that much.

And I've started to like Kozue/Shiori (blame all those who ship them). And Miki/Kozue.

Well you can imagine them any way you want of course, but I think Ikuahra's commentary on the DVDs and the the movie as a statement pretty much closed the debate on whether or not he meant them to be "just friends" or not.

Other than Utena/Anthy (who adorn a lot of posters and wallscrolls in my room), I think I'd like to see Nanami in a yuri pairing becuase Nanami/Touga and Nanami/midget-slave aren't terribly interesting to me.  Nanami/Wakaba could be cute, Nanami/Juri sexy.  XD

I'm very much the same way. I don't really see them as lovers at all. I don't see them as just 'friends' either. They're certainly something quite different from anything there's a word for in my opinion.

I very much agree. They're not just simply friends, but sexuality just feels so out of place. I see them as having a lot of romantic love for each other and perhaps sensuality, but not sexual. Yes. Sensual is definitely how I'd put it. I could see them sharing a light symbolic kiss in a powerful moment, however. It's the ambiguity of their relationship that makes it one of my favorite pairings. Their bond is just so strong, which is a bit ironic considering how very very different they are. Yet, somehow, they manage to complement each other beautifully.

That scene with Utena/Akio is SO hard to watch. I just feel for her so much in that moment. You all know the moment I mean.

That was actually one of my favorite moments in the series. It's very powerful and eerily done. Utena looks so beautiful, in a way she doesn't generally tend to appear throughout the rest of the series. Although the "devirginizing" is generally seen in a negative context, I see it as the first step to her maturity. The wiser, stronger, and far more thoughttful Utena we see at the very end of the series begins to develop in that moment. In that act, she has to reconsider the notion of some of her own morals and the substance behind them. While I'm not saying it didn't hurt her, that pain was almost essential for her to abandon the constraining image of her prince.

Although I'm not a fan of Anthy/Utena, I once granted the drabble request of a fan.

*READS!*

Hm... Favourite couples:
TougaxUtena
SaionjixAnthy
TatsuyaxWakaba
RukaxJuri

I don`t like yaoi or yuri...

Giovanna wrote:

Okay Akio and Kozue need some god damn fanfics. Why have I never seen an Akio/Kozue fanfic if they'd be such a sexual blitzkrieg?

seriously man! you never see those two together in any pics besides one episode and they both just like to screw every person they can. im going to draw a pic of those to toghter!

Straight couple (utena and i dont think any one will rememer him keido.)
Gay couple (touga and saionji, they are so meant for each other!)
Lesbian couple ( juri and shiroi, i mean they are so pissed off at each other its hard not to love them)
incest couple ( touga and nanami , only because me and my big brother are incest.)

And, just because,
Number one couple ( my fav wakaba and saionji.)

Katzenklavier wrote:

Tatsuya/Utena.

...Just think about it.

OOOo! That needs a fanfic!

gay: Akio x touga..hot! i like them both. Saionji x Touga too.
straight: Touga x Utena..i d k....
Lesbian: Utena x Anthy..because i love them
incest: Anthy x Akio..so strange and mysterious..

End wrote: but Utena's never going to actually initiate anything sexual.  So, in the end, it's about Anthy, and about her transition into someone with at least a bit of confidence and assertiveness, however long that takes.  Once she reaches that point, I don't think she'll have trouble demonstrating to Utena that, yes, Utena really does want to kiss her in not-so-chaste ways - and also, later, that, yes, these clothes really are getting in the way.

I think you put that very well. And yes, that's kinda what I'm feeling as I write this Utena/Anthy fic. Sloooooooooooooow. But sweet!

sharnii wrote:

I think you put that very well. And yes, that's kinda what I'm feeling as I write this Utena/Anthy fic. Sloooooooooooooow. But sweet!

I like sweet fanfics! (rather than all going ecchi)
I shall wait for it!!

My brain wants to have Anthy/Utena pair!
Lol, TatsuyaxUtena = Utena more like still having the pants in the relationship.. She doesn't want to be "normal"

But unless she found out Tatsuya was her prince..
She might go Wakaba-like xD


Like in earlier pages, I still think NanamixUtena would make a wacky, happy pair!

Touga x Miki is too!

I'm weirdly into Wakaba and Saio. She can fix him!

Yeah, that's a totally unhealthy approach. But, this is a show with nothing but totally unhealthy approaches and romances. At least they're kind of sweet and cute together, and useful to each other. I wouldn't even put it past Anthy to have sabotaged it just because it might turn healthy and then where would their whole End of the World game thing be?

Watching Saionji pass over Wakaba was one of the times I wanted to throw something heavy at my TV. Here was his chance to be treated with esteem and unconditional affection - just like you noted, Gio. So naturally his insecurity and self-loathing rears its ugly head. He doesn't truly believe he's worth anything, so why desire someone who does? No, he has to go for the cold unattainable object that secretly hates him.

...JUST LIKE HE HATES HIMSELF!!!!

/2 cent psychoanalysis

Interesting analysis, Katzenklavier! 

Then, I'll also offer my own take on Saionji X Wakaba . . .

me from another thread wrote:

These two have their sweet moments, yes.  But . . .
Wakaba likes Saionji because sheltering the SC VP, even after he got expelled, gives her ‘a touch with greatness’ that makes her feel ‘special’ herself.
Saionji likes Wakaba because she gives him shelter when he needs it.
Their’s a conditional relationship if I’ve ever seen one.

And, remember what Wakaba said in the BR elevator scene?

Wakaba:  Whether in love, or my studies, in the end I'm just another face in the crowd.
Wakaba:  My world is completely different from that of the special people.
Wakaba:  But... but... If he's there, if he's with me, then I am special.
Wakaba:  Just a little bit longer, and I would have been reborn.

Wakaba is a lot more hurt by losing her chance "to have been reborn/remade into an outstandingly popular student" than she is by the unrequited romance.  It would have been less painful for her had she lost Saionji after already having attained campus elite/cool kid status ala Utena or the Student Council members.  In the end, I think that's really all that is to their relationship: a conditional romance (not love) that crumbles easily under the conditions.

P.S. The episode again confirms how Anthy's unpopularity among the girls (Wakaba included) has to do with their jealousy of her being undeniably attractive to even the most popular boys.  Even even as a victim of bullying, she still is regarded as being more "special (cool)" than the Wakabas and the Keikos at Ohtori's social setting due to her being a boy magnet.