Also tried to make a poll but it got fucked up, so sorry

Also, this:

Big Moonie here, favorite seasons have always been S and Stars, Hotaru is muh fave.

Crystal is just... so problematic. The first season was alright, but the henshin sequences were creepy rubbery CGI. Second season was so bad I couldn't even watch it. Third season was watchable and interesting because they followed the manga more closely, especially where Hotaru was concerned and FINALLY got proper henshin sequences. I'm looking forward to R, because that was always my least favorite season of the original anime, and I think would benefit a lot, with the canonical inclusion of the outers.

LadyButterflyNebula wrote:

Also, this:

https://68.media.tumblr.com/74ff09b8124 … o1_500.png

I'm afraid I can't get onboard. At least, on the surface, making her more butch, while transgressive and useful in its ways, was a change, and the original author has every right to be unhappy or pleased with, well, whatever.

And, honestly, "they're a lesbian couple, so one is super femme and the other is a stone butch occasionally mistaken for a man" is only slightly more played than, "No, seriously, this man knows what's up with women way more than this woman, and as the maker of the thing I like, he understood the characters she invented better, too."

Both are possible, but championing either one seems silly to me, particularly because of their exceptional frequency.

Having a go at her for being straight, but ignoring Ikuni's clear indulgence in the fun lesbianz doesn't do either side any good.

itavin wrote:

In all honesty I looked at the website this came from and THANKS FOR SHOWING ME MAGIC but here is a complaint on HaruMi: Everyone who watches sailor moon (95' ver, didn't get to s in the manga) Looks at them as the token lesbians of the show who got cousined in america (but not in Israel bitch's, I got to see them in sixth grade with all of their lesbianism in tact, as well as the rest of the gay) but they are so much more then that. There teens, they are naive, ideal, but most importantly, lovers, not just some lesbians who were there for the sake of having a lesbian, there there as characters first, lesbians second. Also seriously Uranus is like the best like how can you even, I would so go for her if I was straight but for know I will go with hawk eye and professor Tomoe for know.

Decrescent Daytripper wrote:

LadyButterflyNebula wrote:

Also, this:

https://68.media.tumblr.com/74ff09b8124 … o1_500.png

I'm afraid I can't get onboard. At least, on the surface, making her more butch, while transgressive and useful in its ways, was a change, and the original author has every right to be unhappy or pleased with, well, whatever.

And, honestly, "they're a lesbian couple, so one is super femme and the other is a stone butch occasionally mistaken for a man" is only slightly more played than, "No, seriously, this man knows what's up with women way more than this woman, and as the maker of the thing I like, he understood the characters she invented better, too."

Both are possible, but championing either one seems silly to me, particularly because of their exceptional frequency.

Having a go at her for being straight, but ignoring Ikuni's clear indulgence in the fun lesbianz doesn't do either side any good.

I love Uranus's Manga version with gender fluidity.  The reason I posted that pic was really about how Ikuhara impacted her image in the anime.

I also liked her Crystal counter part.  The only thing I was really angry about (other than poor animation on the skirts -for real-) was that she didn't get to have a kiss with Neptune.

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Decrescent Daytripper wrote:

LadyButterflyNebula wrote:

The only thing I was really angry about (other than poor animation on the skirts -for real-) was that she didn't get to have a kiss with Neptune.

Now, that I can get behind.

Yep, they need dem kiss.

YamPuff wrote:

The only thing I wanted from Crystal S is a Sailor Saturn henshin AND I GOT ONE

Saturn's entire fucking entrance is my favorite thing about Crystal.

My second favorite thing about Crystal is Pluto's first appearance, and I will be forever salty about them whitewashing her to only be about half a shade darker than everyone else.

One thing that makes my gears go really badly is when people say super s is the worst season. I mean yeah, the battles are really silly, but hey, if we dont have stakes in them anyway (I mean, you know who will win at the end) might as well make them fun, eh? Also the monsters have a lot of backstory since [ They were the new moon kingdom that nehelnia turned to lemures. So yeah, sailor moon destroyed a kingdom.] and there defeat is symbolic of an exorcism since they are ghosts so thats cool. Also this season is about adulthood and growing up, and has a bunch of rape metaphor's. So this season is like prototype utena, a show about adulthood and growing up and has a bunch of rape metaphor's. So yay. Also this season has the best baddies like Fisheye which is like, THE BEST, and the amazon quartet are fun, but nehelnia is amazing and the finale is so incredible, the whole thing is about how sailor moon chooses mortality and life over fantasy and dreams, or immortality which allows her to get true happiness instead of nehenia who gets false happiness.

Also this scene is perfect. Best scene in the show next to Sailor Neptune [ caught like Jesus in episode 110], and Pluto and Saturn being taken of their [star seeds.] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk-ssdFUGSs

In short, people are way to harsh on this season compared to one, which is meh and season 2 makai arc (bleh) or even season five which people love but I dont really but whateve.

Last edited by itavin (05-07-2017 03:05:35 PM)

I've heard a lot of people praise the live action and also the stage musicals, but I just can't get into them. It's too weird, the outfits and all that on real people, just takes me totally out of the moment.

For me it isn't that SuperS is bad per se, it has a lot going for it, a strong beginning, very strong ending, an overall good arc and some great villains. However, removing the outer senshi was a bad call, as was making the focus of the series Chibi-Usa. Especially considering it's a 42-episode season. The vast majority of episodes focus on random one-off monster of the week baddies and they're not that entertaining or memorable. It's the only season of Sailor Moon that was a chore for me to go through.

YamPuff wrote:

However, removing the outer senshi was a bad call, as was making the focus of the series Chibi-Usa.

But was it really? I know I am probably one of the few people in the sailor moon fandom that likes chibiusa and thinks she is a very interesting character. In R she got to realize how adults think and act while still trying to get over her anxieties and fears. In S she got to try and become a better person by making friends with Hotaru and helping her with her struggles and fears, and helping Hotaru in the end by her influence on her that allowed her to make mistress 9 (that basic bitch) to go to hell. In SuperS she got to understand love and sexuality while realizing her own dreams, so to say. Her adulthood and wish of adulthood made her a compelling character, while still maintaining the helpful attitude she had in S. Also it is super awesome that Usagi and Chibiusa have their relationship as a mother and daughter one explored in a way that's so creative that I haven't seen it anywhere else, or done as interesting as in here.

And for the outer scouts, there arc was completed in s and we didn't really need them later on, as their arc of growing up and stop being bitches didnt fit for SuperS since they went through what the characters will go through in SuperS. Also, when the did return in Stars, they only acted more dumb and stupid then they did before. Sailor Pluto sucks, so no point talking about her. Sailor Saturn was only in the finale, which was like whatever. Uranus and Neptune were just like "dont hurt Sailor moon cause we are her guardians and we cant work together even though WE FIGHT THE SAME ENEMY AND YOU GUYS WANNA HELP US". It was like they learned nothing in S and they returned to how they were when we first met them. Gr8. Oh and its not like they progressed in the end of the season and they were just happy they were gone, so props to star by ruining the two best things in sailor moon. I appreciated SuperS for taking them out because, yeah, we all want our lesbians in Sailor moon. But it also shows they knew where they needed to put more focus on and where to put less on. 

Yampuff wrote:

The vast majority of episodes focus on random one-off monster of the week baddies and they're not that entertaining or memorable.

Were the monsters in the original memorable? No, not really, except for the twin ones, Thesis, and for some reason I like the clam bitch. Oh and the seven great youma obviously. R had none that were memorable, except for Queen Godzilla and the ant that made Ami scared. S had a lot of memorable monsters so I dont need to mention them. And stars had... something I guess. Not sure what it was though

But super S had a lot of memorable monsters, Like Puko the balloon lady, Mawashitaro, GaraGara Musume, ManeMane Musume, BiriBiri and much more.

Or it msay just be my love for the circus. Oh well

It actually toke me some time to think of why from a marketing stand point putting chibiusa as the focus is a good idea but here are some reasons:

1- The audience isnt really teenagers, but little girls and to attract teens. Not likley, but seeing how precure is marketed I might consider it.

2-Cihibiusa was a popular character in japan? Very unlikely but still an option.

3- If the audience was teens, then who wouldn't want to want to watch there little girl grow up and come of age? Maybe the audience wasnt supposed to look at Chibiusa like a character which you see in her eyes, but looking at her from the perspective of an adult, or in this case sailor moon.

Also, I dont hate the sailor starligths like most people. While replacing Tukedo mask was a bold move, it diffidently made Usagi more interesting, and Fighter was great, so I dont complain.

I am considering parting with my Japanese-language Sailor Moon manga and my collection of Naoko Takeuchi's Sailor Moon artbooks volumes 0-5.

This is to raise money for an upcoming trip, so yes, I am selling them and not giving them away.

If anyone is interested in purchasing them directly from me before I put them on eBay or some other venue, let me know.