Thank you for that! It was really interesting to hear a different POV. Americans are very sheltered by our uh, huge ocean, and rather secure borders. (At least in this timeline. I know mirror universe president sees it differently.) You've given me a lot to think about!

It never occurred to me to think Poland would be a pariah in the EU! From where we're standing there are countries that seem uh, a lot more like baggage, but most of what I know about Poland relates to WWII. And in that sense, I could definitely see why you guys would feel especially protective of your identity, and have that sort of backwards inferiority complex that drives this sort of attitude. Is like if Poland's cultural balance shifts to the east at all, you'll seem more and more like the countries that are not allowed in? I mean in the sense that France could be like 99% Muslim and probably still not have someone suggest it doesn't belong in the EU. If that's a real and present threat to Poland, it's unfortunate, because being afraid of being cast off like that will definitely drive a lot of unhealthy views.

It's a really difficult situation, especially for you guys over there. Saying Syrians are garbage, etc, shuts down any rational conversation that should take place, like about how to help them adjust to the radically different cultural norms they now live in. For example, the Syrians that have come here have basically been told point blank that gender norms in their culture don't fly here. There's definitely some stumbling, and it's frankly not the lily white redneck in the hockey jersey that harasses me at midnight if I'm walking alone, but those things take time, and as long as the expectations are laid out for everyone, refusing them seems cruel.

There's a lot of ways to help but they involve very uncomfortable and very un-PC conversations. But there's decent human beings, or Donald Trump, and no middle ground where you can say "Muslims are welcome here, but if you're from an especially radical sect, you're going to have to rethink a few attitudes to adjust." When it's a question of identity like it sounds over there, that's gotta be a lot more complicated.

Yasha wrote:

The point of educating and debating is not just to try and sway the person you're talking to, which has a fairly limited chance of success anyway, but also to have a chance at making your points to everyone else, and possibly helping them to understand why white supremacy is a bullshit ideology for losers who have nothing else to be proud of.


However... macklemore hair frog man is very punchable. I can understand if the dude meant to debate and was just overcome by his punchability. Cannot say I wouldn't do the same.

I saw this before I read this post, but that Richard Spencer getting punched in the face is still the best thing I've seen in years/all my life.

Also, showing him repeatedly getting punched in the face is amazing! *.*

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malna wrote:

I'm glad I didn't bore you to death with my perspective, I was a little afraid of that. Honestly, having read your post I feel kind of inspired to start a thread here on culture clash because, wow, do I have stories! Hmm...

That would be awesome!


I have definitely had some odd experiences with culture clash. Often the most jarring of them happen in Canada, and I think it's because Americans aren't so different generally, so when something doesn't fit I'm more surprised by it. In many ways I feel culture clash more often in say, New Orleans, than I did in fucking Paris. But it was, in part, because I wasn't expecting that in NoLa. I really haven't traveled enough to suit my tastes, and probably never will, but I'd love to hear more about your side of things! I honestly know like...almost nothing about Poland, much as it shames me to admit. But it sounds a lot more like it's pressed between two worlds than I really took for granted!

This is a bit late, but for any UK users that haven't done so, this is your final reminder.

Speaking as someone who considers himself a leftist (or at the very least used to sleep with one):

One of the most troubling aspects of the left is its willingness to turn against and discard its oldest and most revered members whenever they express doubts or reservations about the direction the movement is taking. The right's principle of solidarity, although it results in such embarrassments as Strom Thurmond remaining in the Senate into the twenty-first century (and, y'know, He Who Must Not Be Named), has allowed it to survive even when the entire world seems to be against it.

>Still believing in left vs right

Kita-Ysabell wrote:

yusaku wrote:

I think as a good solution for Democratic thinkers it is very important to concentrate our population in certain areas of the US because it seems that local and state governments are the most viable option. The republicans have a good lock on the federal government. We as leftists believe universal healthcare, public education, and social welfare make a better society for everyone. I think it may be time to consolidate our population and leave the fascists to the corporate and state tyrannies they seem to love. Any favorite spots in the United States? What do you guys think of certain countries as good left-leaning places to go?

I vote for Cascadia to be a thing!

We can conquer the rest of the country (nonviolently) as it falls into inevitable ruin.

I agree. That seems like the best course of action. However, there are not a lot of inexpensive places in Cascadia. Where do you think are good places to move to in Cascadia? Should we try to create our own separate community?

I kind of feel like the Left is defined by "worried single mother" complex. Basically their psychology centers around having some kind of surrogate child/cause, like refugees or black lives or wild animals, and constantly worrying about finding a surrogate "father" for them. Funding, government recognition, etc. When I was in California it seemed like the topic of single moms and the attempt to talk up their virtues would come up in the most inappropriate and unexpected places, like at a tour of an elephant seal colony during breeding season, where the guide mentioned that the male elephants were drawn to the "single moms" who had just given birth. If you doubt there's some kind of agenda surrounding single moms, or that they are the quasi-religious core of everything the left does, have a look at this.



Also, this scene from Game of Thrones, where the masses of freed slaves hail Daenerys Targaryen as their Mhysa (mother).



The right is defined by "father in search of lost child" complex. They're always obsessed with trying to play "daddy" to something outside their family. This could be a corporation that they feel is in need of new leadership, a war for honor, or unborn children and their "rights." It's always this guilded, idealized notion of paternity applied to something external and more often than not abiological.

tl;dr: the left plots to cuck, the right plots to get cucked

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*deep breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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terry_bogard wrote:

That's what "education" is now, nothing but demagoguery among the inferior people.

lol dude

threatening to "make my life hell" by "hurting this place socially" and somehow not realizing that this is a basically dead forum for a 20 year old anime is the biggest, most pathetic self-own possible

bye bye